
Saw this story about Fallout development. With Shivering Isles, Oblivion's expansion pack wrapping up soon, the team is ramping into production on Fallout. It's fun to see more press about it in publications -- the OXM with Shivering Isles on the cover has a sidebar about Fallout. It's one thing to pull the build off the network and experience our day to day work; there is something about seeing official press coverage that brings a new reality to our work. Personally, I think the worse thing a team can do while working on a game is believe its own press. Still you can't beat the feel good factor that comes with seeing people get excited about your work.
Fallout has always been a personal favorite. It was not a commercial success, only hard core gamers played it, and its one of those games that is highly coveted by game developers. Efforts to expand the game to a more mainstream audience, like the Xbox Brotherhood of Steel game, failed miserably. Much like the philosophy behind Superman Returns (which I watched last night on my Xbox HD-DVD), I prefer to pretend Fallout stopped after the 2nd game:)
I've played the first one several times through, played Fallout 2 and Fallout Tactics (never finished Tactics). I started to play Brotherhood of Steel (the one for xbox) but was very disappointed.
If you happen to get the urge to play Fallout, here's one way of enjoying the best parts. Roll a character with a really high Luck, and forgo other stats. Then go to your options and crank all difficulty to easy -- essentially, reduce the time in combat. This will allow you to see some of the cool hidden encounters (high Luck) and experience all the atmosphere, characters and quests.
Fallout revisited
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Good luck with making Fallout. I am happy that you like just first two games of Fallout (as the majority of players), so I DO hope you'll be making first of all a game YOU would like to play after beating Fallout2, not the one designed for massive audience of Oblivion kids.
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I think you know what to do, and especially what is proscrit with this title. With all my respect for Oblivion, Fallout isn't in the same spirit, it can be nice, but the back of the box is not the most important aspect. It have to be nice in my head more than on my screen (even if the two first opus are brilliant for eyes, this aspect is in equivalence with the spirit of the game). I hope the devil isn't the driver of you're intentions (you want the paradise? God should play this game!), it's between you and you're conscience.
Hope and fear are like brother and sister, especialy in this case, so i give all my encouragement to you.
Hugo (Hugom94@hotmail.com)
ps: I'm French, sorry for the mysteiques
Fallout:Tactics is actually worth finishing while not in the same vein as Fallout 1 & 2 the story wraps up quite nicely with two alternate endings, depending on the final choice you make.
(With one setting up a useful protagonist for future Fallout games - hint it's the one where you give your brain to the machine)
Anyway I really hope you guys do Fallout justice and keep it turn based and overhead & not try to turn it into something else because it's just not Fallout.
Yeah I know that was a slight underhand jab at the real time first person RPG Elder Scrolls:Oblivion is which was a great game (even if not my cup of tea) but Fallout & Oblivion despite being labelled in the same genre are like Apples & Oranges.
Anyway I've said my part I hope the project goes well for you.
You made the front page of NMA, so you'll have a bit more of traffic now :)
http://www.nma-fallout.com/
Thanks for kind words, appreciate your interest in Fallout. Please keep in mind that this weblog is just my personal site with my own personal opinions, and is by no means official in any way, see my disclaimer below.
Hello Ash
I have to say that this entry made me more optimistic about Fallout 3, it's really nic eto see that on Fallout 3 are working Fallout fans, but you (Bethesda) should stay in contact with Fallout community, post on the biggest Fallout forums, on NMA and DAC. We really want to see that this game is going to be great, but without contact and hearing anything fromyou we are starting being worried...
You have the good view on what's good in Fallout!
We know that Ash, it's clearly pointed out that it's your opinion and your opinion only.
I really wish you guys would just come out and say if Fallout 3 going to be turn based or not. Personally, while I loved Fallout 1 and 2, I hated the combat. I realize some vocal fallout fans feel differently. Its some holy cow but it wasn't even good turn based like Xcom. Not even good rpg turn based. In either case, you HAVE to know the combat system by now, letting us know would greatly help the community move on. If you are going to develop a niche turn based rpg that a few hundred want to play, fine let us know so we can look forwards to something else. If its going to be real time or pausable, then the vocal minority can flame out and the rest of the millions of gamers on pc and xbox 360 can finally start looking forwards to the game.
Please don't do a tactic one this time pleeaase !
The first two opus were so GREAT ! I'v been waiting for this kind of announce for a while (i'm frensh scuse my poor english).
Good luck !!! "Du fond du coeur" (comme on dit chez moi :) )
I have to be perfectly blunt here: I have little to no hope of Fallout 3 being a Fallout game. I foresee a 95% chance of Fallout 3 being Oblivion in a Post Apocalyptic world, and sure, if it's fun, I'll buy and play it, but it's just not the same. Free-roaming endless environments are breath-taking, but not the endall of RPG gaming.
And frankly, Bethesda's writers are =infants= compared to the writers Bioware/Black Isle/Troika/Obsidian have, in terms of plot, and -especially- dialogue/NPCs.
i really hope that you at least continue the story in the direction it was headed after fallout 2, and have read the van buren documents from the cancelled game. all though i doubt it.
So many people argue over whether Fallout should be turn based or not; Let's face it, you guys/gals at Bethesda are going to stick with what you do best (ie. Oblivion style game). PLEASE don't having autoscaling like in Oblivion though :(
The one important thing that will make this game a success is the atmosphere. I'm talking about keeping the dark, adult humour and dialogues present in Fallout 1&2 intact. Make it a grungy, dreary, desperate world and I think the rest will follow.
Best of luck to guys. I can't tell you how much I'm hoping Bethesda does the Fallout name justice.
Well, I tried to be nicer about it, but I can't help but feel the same way as Joe does. There is a HUGE concern among Fallout fans that Bethesda's version will be "nerfed", "kiddified", or just generally ruined. I really hope Bethesda listens to the community on this one.
"I really wish you guys would just come out and say if Fallout 3 going to be turn based or not."
It's going to be a real-time, first person shooter the same as Morrowind and Oblivion. It's "what they do best" after all.
The turn based or not I don't really care, so long as its done well. It had better not be scaled enemies and loot though. There should be a price to pay for wandering into areas that are too tough for you (you get stomped) and there should be a reward for beating guys you ought to have no business beating (earlier access to better gear).
"...so you'll have a bit more of traffic now :)"
um, just a bit more traffic? :)
I think its pretty clear the great amount of passion that Fallout fans have for the Fallout universe. Sorry as everyone will have to wait a bit longer.
nice to hear from the inside how much care and love go into your games. Yes I am also a Fallout fan. Oblivion is a masterpiece, a truely great game, all who are attached to it should be proud of their work. Please do not listen to those upset it was released on a console and PC...
As a PC gamer as well as an Xbox, PS2, Wii, and Xbox360 gamer... I drewl at the possibility to play Fallout 3 on my Xbox360...
Working 50-60 hour weeks at the stations, editing, writing, voicing, etc... I love my job don't get me wrong... but the PC ends up being a bit more for work.
But firing up the 360 is play time.
Here's on for hoping for Oblivion quality, in the Fallout world, and yes on both the PC and Xbox360.
Thanks.... Keep up the good work.
After the wonderful work you guys did on oblivion I have no doubt you'll make an amazing game. If you can create a fallout game with the sheer scale, detail and replayability of oblivion, these years of waiting will be worth it! :D
One question - are you gonna get any help from Black Isle guys when it comes to the tongue-in-cheek humour of fallout? - Actually I should probably just wait for official press on this one :D
Good luck to you and the team!
"After the wonderful work you guys did on oblivion I have no doubt you'll make an amazing game. If you can create a fallout game with the sheer scale, detail and replayability of oblivion, these years of waiting will be worth it! :D"
Careful there, friend. You have a little something dribbling down your chin.
What I loved most about Fallout was that there were no borders. you could move your character anywhere and the sense of scale was true to the real world.
While traveling you could simply stop and see what that little scrap of wasteland looked like. If I were to make one pleading request it's this: don't make an Oblivion mod. This is Fallout. Give it the Bethesda spin which we all love but do not feel pressured into making another Oblivion. The first Fallout was a small game content-wise but it was dense and the borders were nowhere to be found. I miss that kind of game. (Oh, and please rip a page from Interplay's voice-acting playbook! Ron Pearlman!!)
Whether or not FO3 is turn based or not isn't really an issue for me so long as the combat is fun. I'd prefer something a little slower and more tactical than what oblivion offered. I'd also appreciate better AI.
I think more important are the open story lines, choices and great characters in the Fallout universe. Something Oblivion/Morrowind really didn't have.
IMHO Fallout its a very difficult to make game. No, really - tons of graphics, sounds - all Fallout-own-style. You know what I mean?... it will be a difficult time for us now, for Fallout lovers. I would like to play Fallout in great 3D(but, please, isometric!) with great story. Von Buren was great concept - the graphict etc. were brilliant.
Let us hope, that Bethesda will create a new Fallout game. With phisics, great detailed graphic, and the most importatnt - with S T O R Y! :-D
vith
I hope the combat is NOT like Fallout 1/2. I greatly love both the Fallout games and have completed them many, many times (and still have them installed) but combat was one of the weakest points of the game. It's not turn based versus real time, either; I have no preference that way and enjoy both sorts of games. The setting, characters, and general atmosphere are what made Fallout great, not the combat system.
Fallout Tactics fixed up some of the combat problems but it didn't have any memorable characters and wasn't an RPG so the more rabid Fallout fans hate it with an almost obscene passion. I really liked it for what it was, a tactical combat game.
So anyway, good luck and don't let the rabid Fallout fanboyz drag you down. I'll probably be first in line to buy Fallout 3.
"Fallout 2 was rated 15+ (not for immature audience) - will this trend continue with Fallout 3?
Pete Hines: It's going to be a mature game, that's always been the plan. "
For NMA. Hm.
Let us prey!...
...only one more question :-)
What with Van Buren data? Is it used in your F3 or not? What with story from Van Buren?..
Of course I have nothing new to add here.
I just have to agree with most of the people here in one thing: It doesn't really matter if Fallout 3 will be turn based or Real time. Besides real time will add more action to the game. The most important thing is to bring back to life all those wonderfull and humorous dialogues with unlimited options. Finally, the game MUST have an adult theme. Please dont let any one ruin the adult atmosphere and humor. That was fallout's best part and we still talk about it when we remember the good old times...
Bottom line: Keep it original, keep it dark and it will keep as company for a looong time.
I think it is safe to say it will be M rated without a doubt :)
Ashley, it's good to see that you "get it" about Fallout. I was worried, because though Oblivion is/was a wonderful game, the areas that were lacking, iMHO, were in the development of NPC's and especially in humor. Those, to me, were the what made Fallout 1 and Fallout2 so great.
Is there (or will there be) some kind of forum where gamers - fallout funs - can post suggestions about the 3rd title? I believe that people's opinion can help a lot in the creation of a better game. After all, you might miss something from the original title that most of the players liked...
Maintaing the high level of dialogue - complex, stat affected dialogue trees, with great writing - is far more important to me than the combat style. Is there anything you can say on that?
Good luck to making new Fallout guys!
In my country people like..no more that like Fallout. We hope, that you'll make the game better. But please, left turn-based combat in the game (don't make it like in Brotherhood, cause it was worth game of the serial). The best developpment of turn-based system presents now in game Brigade E5 New Alliance, where any action take time, so the game is turn-based and real-time in the same time, and I'll be very happy to see this system in Fallout 3).
From Russia with love.
I am afraid Alexey that turn based in RPG games is dying. Most of the gamers out there prefer a real time action game and even Fallout funs (meaning me as well) always wanted to see a fresh change in the game. Imagine how things could be if EVERYTHING we live in the Fallout 1 and 2 worlds, could be reanimated in 3D! Instead of watching the character, be the character. To act instead of have a smoke, drink a coffee and then play your turn. After all, its not a board game.
BUT! There is something that is noteworthy. And that is the fact that most hardcore RPG gamers LOVE the idea of watching things happening from the outside. They like "ordering" their character to do things and watch them suffer the consequences. So for this type of gamer, the turn-based system is more or less a representation of the amount of time needed for our brain to think and react.
So, although i'd love to play a real time action FPS fallout, i have to strongly admit that the game CANNOT loose the turn based battle system. It would be a miracle if the two battle system types could be combined (like in Fallout tactics) but I suppose this requires more than alot of work. If the legends are true, and Fallout is going to rise through the engine used for Oblivion i don't think we'll have a turnbased system. At lease not the one some people expect.
Anyway, congratulations Bethesda for taking a huge risk and responsibility to create this Legendary title. I know it needs a lot of balls to do and thank God that a dev team had them...
Thanks...
Caltel
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